Fri 14 Jul 2006
Bible "contradictions": Jacob's Branches
Posted by Darren under Apologetics , Bible , Faith , SkepticsThe article A Quick Glance at the Foolishness in the Bible at Free Thinking Atheist (does that imply I'm not "free thinking" because I'm not an atheist, or just that not all atheists are "free thinking"? -Edit: I was being factitious here. Of course the author of the article intends neither-) discusses to the following passage from Genesis:
Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches. Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink, they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted. (Gen 30:37-39, NIV)
Of course, we know that putting branches in front of mating animals won't naturally affect how their offspring look. But is the author of the "foolishness" article above correct when he says "We now know this is physically, biologically, and genetically impossible. Placing striped branches near mating animals isn’t going to do anything to them, yet the Bible is saying their offspring came out striped, and dotted." I'd say yes. But his conclusion that the credibility of the Bible is hurt by this passage is incorrect. Here's why:
First, note what the passage does not say. It does not say that placing the branches in the water caused the animals to become streaked. Jacob may have believed that at the time; but as always, we have to study verses in context. Just shortly before this event, we see that Jacob was being cheated by Laban. Laban purposefully removed all speckled, spotted, etc animals to prevent Jacob from getting them, since it was their agreement that Jacob could take all of the "speckled or spotted sheep, every dark-colored lamb and every spotted or speckled goat" as Jacob's wages for tending the flocks. In Gen 31:10-13, God reveals Laban's deception to Jacob, and notes that "I [God] have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee". Jacob interprets the event this way: "God has not allowed him to harm me", and "God has taken away your father's livestock and has given them to me" (Gen 31:8,9). Jacob doesn't say "I foiled Laban's plan by using the branches", he credits God for acting to prevent Laban's trickery. This shows that in this case God intervened to produce the appropriate results, not because of Jacob's actions with the branches but perhaps despite them, to prevent Jacob from being unfairly cheated.
The author of the "foolishness" article also comments that "it looks like it [Gen 30:37-39] has already been edited and obscured so the actual message of the passage is vague and meaningless: King James Version – Genesis 30:37-39. Hell, the trees don’t even match up in each passage." I should note here that the King James Version is not the easiest translation for modern people to use, especially those who have no training in biblical exegesis, and that the King James translation was done hundreds of years before the NIV translation that the author uses in his own article. So if anything, modern translations have "edited" the text to be more accurate to the original text. However, even the claim that the message has been "obscured" in the KJV passage is totally untrue; compare the KJV for yourself to the NIV above:
And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods. And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink. And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. (Gen 30:37-39, KJV)
As you can see, the meaning of the passage hasn't been "edited" or "obscured", even in the King James Version. As I noted in my article Bible "contradictions": A Real Example, "if I was reading Shakespeare and found what I thought was a contradiction, I wouldn’t think “Hmmm I guess I proved that this Shakespeare guy didn’t know what he was doing.” I’d probably assume that my naive interpretation was wrong; I’d need to do some more reading and thinking about the supposed problem, or consult an expert." The same applies to biblical interpretation. I encourage everyone to learn about biblical exegesis in order to better understand the Bible.
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July 16th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
Hello, I’m the author of http://www.freethinkingatheist.com. So let’s get a few things straight.
Firstly, my website’s URL reflects me. It does not imply that because you are not an atheist, that you are not freethinking. Nor does it imply that not all atheists are freethinking. “Free thinking” is simply an adjective that describes me. I AM the free thinking atheist. My website is about MY views and beliefs, and other beliefs that affect me. If you really must know, I think there are some free thinking Christians (not many though), and there are some non free thinking atheists, that are heavily biased by something (like the peoples of the Soviet Union for example, a country that was declared socially atheist). I personally consider myself free thinking, because for the most part I am open minded compared to other Atheists who are completely close-minded. If Jesus himself showed up at my front door, I’d drop to my hands and knees and kiss his feet and read the gospels for the rest of my life in religious happiness, just because I know it’s true.
One more thing about myself.. I do no claim to be a professional critic about anything. Nor do I claim to be an amateur, as everything I do critique is all my personal use. It’s not like I’m professionally publishing anything in a respected journal or published paper or anything. I’m an Atheist by belief, not profession, and my website is for 95% personal use. The other 5% is just so other Atheists can be exposed to my thought if they so choose. I’m not studying theology, in fact I’m in school to be an engineer in the field of computer science, and in fact I’m extraordinarily interested in science in general. So next time you want to publicly critique my articles on your website, keep all of that in mind, as you are basically critiquing a single person’s journal. You might want to stick with the actual Atheists who study the subject for a living who are trained in argument, and go up against them. http://www.iidb.org is a good place to start. Get to work!
I have a few objections to your article however. For one, you are right in that the passage does not actually used the word “caused” (which for all you know was lost in translation), but it does imply that the branches caused the offspring to be speckled and spotted. And using reason, I cannot see even God himself being so bored that he is meddling with Laban’s and Jacob’s petty affairs over livestock. If God has time to reveal Laban’s plans to Jacob, then where is God today when we need him to reveal our wives committing adultery, or terrorist attacks that are in process. Where is God at on New Years Eve in Times Square to reveal to everyone that he is the one God, and that all other religions are skewed or made up. Where is God to tell the U.N. when a small country is generating and harvesting deadly biological disease? Where is God to save everyone? There are so many stories in the Bible about God intervening with seemingly trivial occasions.
Also, it says in your “pledges” section in your “About this Site” section that you “will critique ideas that (you) disagree with, not people”. Yet you say: “The same applies to biblical interpretation, and I’d encourage amateur skeptics to learn a bit about biblical exegesis before attempting to critique it.” In your article, which you are implying that I’m an amateur skeptic, and that I need to learn more about the bible, based on this once article I published, not anything else on my website, therefore you are critiquing ME. So your pledges are corrupt boy, we all try to be good people (yes, even those “evil” atheists you Christians here about). Although props to YOU author, because I know you do at least have a certain respect for Atheists, as you once were one. You are one different Christian in a sea of Christians who have stereotypes against Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists etc. Lastly, I’d rather not have my personal thoughts criticized openly like I’m supposed to be a flawless professional or something. If you do object to some things I write, then by all means, PLEASE email me: webmaster at freethinkingatheist dot com and let me know. One reason why I wanted to do my site is to explore the realms of Christianity and Atheism, and if I’m wrong I do want to know. It’s not like my intentions are to spread Atheist propaganda and that I’m fighting for a lost cause, because I’m not fighting for anything. These are just my observations and personal thoughts. If Christianity truly is the truth, and I know it, I will not refuse it.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
Billy, thank you for taking the time to comment. I am new to this blogging stuff, so I'm still learning.
After re-reading my original article, I agree that my last sentence was unintentionally harsh. I apologize for using the needless "amateur skeptic" language, and I've changed that last sentence to read "I encourage everyone to learn about biblical exegesis in order to better understand the Bible." I also added a note about my "free thinking" comment, which was intended to be tounge-in-cheek but it's often difficult to tell in text-only form.
I happened to find your site through technorati and noticed some topics I was interested in talking about. Your suggestion that I should seek out the best of the atheist proponents is a good one, although arguing with atheists is not the main purpose of this site. (And honestly I wouldn't fare well in a debate type situation. I typically need a lot of time to collect my thoughts and present them in a cogent argument. I'll leave the debates to Craig or Habermas for now. :))
Out of respect to your request I won't publicly comment on other freethinkingatheist.com posts on this site. I'll continue to read your site, though, and will from now on contact you privately if there is anything I'd like to discuss. Thanks again for your honesty and polite comments.