Comments on: Good people http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/ Please read, ponder & comment Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:46:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Darren http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/comment-page-1/#comment-45791 Darren Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:11:39 +0000 http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/#comment-45791 Sebastian, thanks for taking the time to reply! My point in the article was simply that motivation matters; I didn't say it was the only important thing to consider. For example, if I were to ask you, "Should we put Joe in jail for shooting a man?" It would be impossible to answer unless we know why he shot him. If it was because he wanted to steal his wallet, then yes. If it was to stop him from committing a more terrible crime, then no. Regarding Jesus calling himself "Son of God," there is a decent (but short) article here: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-God.html If Jesus came to the people in the first century, and said to them "Hello! I am God!" they would either be confused or react like the Pharisees did: They would pick up stones to kill him. (For example, in John 10:33 the Pharisees say "We are not stoning you for any good work but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Jesus doesn't correct them and say "Hey you guys have it all wrong, I'm not God.") By claiming to be God's Son (not "a son", but "the son") he was claiming to have the same nature as God. It's difficult to understand how the many names and titles given to Jesus (ex, Emmanuel, "God with us") could be understood apart from his divinity. Some examples: http://carm.org/jesus-god What are your thoughts about who God is? Who Jesus is? Sebastian, thanks for taking the time to reply! My point in the article was simply that motivation matters; I didn’t say it was the only important thing to consider. For example, if I were to ask you, “Should we put Joe in jail for shooting a man?” It would be impossible to answer unless we know why he shot him. If it was because he wanted to steal his wallet, then yes. If it was to stop him from committing a more terrible crime, then no.

Regarding Jesus calling himself “Son of God,” there is a decent (but short) article here:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-God.html

If Jesus came to the people in the first century, and said to them “Hello! I am God!” they would either be confused or react like the Pharisees did: They would pick up stones to kill him. (For example, in John 10:33 the Pharisees say “We are not stoning you for any good work but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus doesn’t correct them and say “Hey you guys have it all wrong, I’m not God.”) By claiming to be God’s Son (not “a son”, but “the son”) he was claiming to have the same nature as God. It’s difficult to understand how the many names and titles given to Jesus (ex, Emmanuel, “God with us”) could be understood apart from his divinity. Some examples: http://carm.org/jesus-god

What are your thoughts about who God is? Who Jesus is?

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/comment-page-1/#comment-45701 Sebastian Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:11:08 +0000 http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/#comment-45701 No, I wasn't angry at all... It's just that, in terms of criminal justice, the result of a crime is really what matters the most, regardless of religious beliefs. Why did I choose particular example? I just thought, it could be a good example. I said, the Christian thought, which pretty much means that he guessed or just figured what they would do. I didn't say in terms of self-defense. also, "In Jesus Christ, God Himself came into our world in the flesh in order to save us from ourselves and certain death, and show us the way." In the bible, Jesus says, I am the son of god, not god himself. So what should be believe now? No, I wasn’t angry at all… It’s just that, in terms of criminal justice, the result of a crime is really what matters the most, regardless of religious beliefs.

Why did I choose particular example? I just thought, it could be a good example.
I said, the Christian thought, which pretty much means that he guessed or just figured what they would do. I didn’t say in terms of self-defense.

also,
“In Jesus Christ, God Himself came into our world in the flesh in order to save us from ourselves and certain death, and show us the way.” In the bible, Jesus says, I am the son of god, not god himself. So what should be believe now?

]]> By: Darren http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/comment-page-1/#comment-45688 Darren Mon, 15 Nov 2010 02:35:42 +0000 http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/#comment-45688 Sebastian, you seem to be very angry about this. Why did you decide to choose this particular example? And what standard did you decide that the person who killed someone merely because they did not "hide her body parts" is not as bad as a person killing to protect their family? The reason I ask is, that there is no justification in the Bible for a Christian to kill people, so I don't really understand the example unless the Christian was acting in self-defense, in which case I wouldn't say that their action was necessarily wrong at all? Sebastian, you seem to be very angry about this. Why did you decide to choose this particular example? And what standard did you decide that the person who killed someone merely because they did not “hide her body parts” is not as bad as a person killing to protect their family?

The reason I ask is, that there is no justification in the Bible for a Christian to kill people, so I don’t really understand the example unless the Christian was acting in self-defense, in which case I wouldn’t say that their action was necessarily wrong at all?

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/comment-page-1/#comment-45650 Sebastian Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:23:44 +0000 http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/#comment-45650 "Motivation matters. For example, a person who commits manslaughter receives a lesser sentence than one who commits first degree murder; what differs is their motivation. So we can agree that motivation for an act can change the worthiness (or unworthiness) of the act. Let’s keep this fact in mind." What's wrong with this? Say, a Christian killed 20 Muslims because he thought they were going to bomb his house. Now, a Muslim killed a Christian woman because she didn't hid her body parts. I see the motivation does matter, and I ALSO SEE THAT A PERSON WHO KILLED 20 PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED MORE HARSHLY THAN SOMEONE WHO KILLED 1 PERSON. DON'T YOU THINK? “Motivation matters. For example, a person who commits manslaughter receives a lesser sentence than one who commits first degree murder; what differs is their motivation. So we can agree that motivation for an act can change the worthiness (or unworthiness) of the act. Let’s keep this fact in mind.”

What’s wrong with this? Say, a Christian killed 20 Muslims because he thought they were going to bomb his house. Now, a Muslim killed a Christian woman because she didn’t hid her body parts. I see the motivation does matter, and I ALSO SEE THAT A PERSON WHO KILLED 20 PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED MORE HARSHLY THAN SOMEONE WHO KILLED 1 PERSON. DON’T YOU THINK?

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