Comments on: Blood & Water: Evidence for Eyewitnesses

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By: B M Allan

B M Allan — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 22:10:57 +0000

What Jesus Went Through In the Crucifixion: His unnatural position made every movement painful; the lacerated veins and crushed tendons throbbed with incessant anguish; the wounds, inflamed by exposure, gradually gangrened; the arteries — especially at the head and stomach — became swollen and oppressed with surcharged blood; and while each variety of misery went on gradually increasing, there was added to them the intolerable pang of a burning and raging thirst; and all these physical complications caused an internal excitement and anxiety, which made the prospect of death that much more desirable.
Pilate required four executioners certification of Christ’s death before handing Jesus’ body over to Joseph of Arimathea for burial.
What Caused Jesus’ Death: James Thompson in his book: The Physical Cause of the Death of Christ explains that the death of Christ was due, not to physical exhaustion, or to the pains of crucifixion, but to agony of mind producing rupture of the heart. His energy of mind and body in the act of dissolution proves beyond contradiction that His death was not the result of exhaustion; the soldier’s spear was the means to exhibiting to the world that His death was due to a cardiac rupture: the separation of water and blood (John 19:32-35).
Repeated observations and experiments of Piercing With A Knife the side of dead men and animals have led to the following results:
1st, no flow of any kind followed the wound, except a slight trickling of blood which occurs when a person dies of natural causes.
2nd, a large flow of blood only follows the wound which resultes from victims of drowning and by strychnia.
3rd, a flow of water only, succeeded by a few drops of blood follows the wound in victims that die from pleurisy, pericarditis and rupture of the heart.
4th, a large flow of water, succeeded by a large flow of blood, follows the wound which is the result of the victim’s death caused by crucifixion. Crucifixion causes a condition of blood in the lungs similar to that produced by drowning and strychnia.
John 19:34 “But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water.” (Psalm 69:20)

5th, a large flow of blood, succeeded by a large flow of water occurs in a crucified person, who had died upon the cross from rupture of the heart. Jesus died of a ruptured heart while being crucified proved by the flow of blood first than water.
5.Had Jesus been alive when the spear pierced His side, strong spouts of blood would have emerged with every heart beat. Instead, the observer noticed semi-solid dark red clot seeping out, distinct and separate from the accompanying watery serum. This is evidence of massive clotting of the blood in the main arteries, and is exceptionally strong medical proof of death. It is all the more impressive because the evangelist could not possibly have realized its significance to a pathologist. The blood and water from the spear-thrust is proof positive that Jesus was already dead.

By: David E

David E — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:08:53 +0000

How could John have known that if a person who had just been crucified were stabbed in the chest that blood and water would run out unless he (or someone else who was there) witnessed it? John would have had none of this modern medical knowledge; he merely recorded what he saw. Details of this sort strongly indicate that the New Testament is a result of eyewitness testimony regarding the events it describes.

Ignoring Doctor’s point concerning the accuracy of the medical information (since I’m in no way competent to comment on it), this would indicate only that the author had either witnessed or heard an accurate description of a crucified person being stabbed with a spear.

Not that he’d witnessed it happen to Jesus

By: Mark

Mark — Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:40:13 +0000

There's actually a more recent JAMA article that says that there are a lot of different theories and there is not enough data to say that one is right or not. Here are some of the different theories of how Jesus died: Cardiac rupture, Heart failure, Hypovolaemic shock, Syncope, Acidosis, Asphyxia, Arrhythmia plus asphyxia, Pulmonary embolism, Voluntary surrender of life, and Didn't actually die.

By: Darren

Darren — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:52:35 +0000

Hi Doctor,

As noted at the bottom of the blog, my main source was the article published in the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Medical Association. If you have another source of equal scholarly merit that refutes this article, I’d be willing to take a look. Until then, I’ll defer to the published experts on the matter.

FWIW, Habermas also lists several other peer-reviewed sources which confirm these details (in the reference above) however I don’t have access to those so I could only use the JAMA article, which I have a copy of. (I can send you a copy of the article if you’d like.)

By: Doctor

Doctor — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:49:09 +0000

Thus when the Roman soldier stabbed Jesus’ side with the spear (which was not common procedure for crucifixions) the wall of the pericardium was pierced, resulting in a flow of both blood from the heart itself and water from the surrounding sac.

Only if Jesus had pericarditis and a pericardial effusion – and if pericardial transudate looked like water, which it doesn’t. And if He had a pericardial effusion big enough to have visible “water” come out a spear wound, He’d have been dead for a long time from tamponde.

So, basically, whoever you copied this from is full of shit.