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		<title>Grace &amp; Works</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 04:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a new Christian, I wondered about a question along the lines of: &#8220;If we are saved by grace, not by works, why bother working anymore?&#8221; Or as Alan Scholes put it (in the title of a chapter in his excellent book The Artful Dodger) &#8220;What if I accept Christ and keep on sinning?&#8221; Eventually [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="size-full wp-image-529" title="love" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/love.jpg" alt="" width="160" height="201" align="right" />As a new Christian, I wondered about a question along the lines of: &#8220;If we are saved by grace, not by works, why bother working anymore?&#8221; Or as Alan Scholes put it (in the title of a chapter in his excellent book<em> The Artful Dodger</em>) &#8220;What if I accept Christ and keep on sinning?&#8221; Eventually I was able to reconcile grace and works after reading and truly understanding what both Paul and James have to say and how they compliment eachother.</p>
<p>Tonight I was reading Watchman Nee&#8217;s book <em>The Normal Christian Life</em> which is essentially a commentary on Romans. As Nee described how our sin<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">s</span></strong> (plural; ie, things we have done wrong) are dealt with by the Blood of Jesus, and our sin (singular; as in our nature as a sinner) is dealt with by the Cross of Jesus, I for some reason thought of a joke told by Demetri Martin.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably better if you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2eUPak76hY#t=1m15s">listen to him tell the swimming joke here</a> (about 30 seconds) but if you can&#8217;t or would rather not load a YouTube clip, here&#8217;s the gist of it:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Swimming is a confusing sport. Cuz sometimes you&#8217;re doing it for fun &#8230; and other times, you&#8217;re doing it to NOT DIE.</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>You can usually tell by the outfit:<br />
Pants? Uh oh!<br />
Swimming trunks? Okay!<br />
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<p>Grace and works is kinda like that. A person doing works to try to be saved (a futile endeavor) may be doing the exact same actions as someone who does works out of gratitude (response to grace). But the person who realizes they are saved by grace is not doing things to AVOID DEATH, they realize that they have already avoided death.</p>
<p>And like the swimming analogy, you can tell which is which by a person&#8217;s outfit &#8230; ie, by what attitude they are doing things, how they approach their tasks, what goal they have in mind, and why they are doing them in the first place. A grace-filled person has &#8220;put on <strong></strong>the new self&#8221; as their clothing. (Ephesians 4:24)</p>
<p>I guess the answer to the question &#8220;If we are saved by grace, not by works, why bother working anymore?&#8221; is that working is only a chore when it&#8217;s an obligation. Serving out of gratitude, through the empowering of the Holy Spirit, is an entirely different thing than desperately paddling away trying to save yourself. That doesn&#8217;t mean that serving in the church is always less stressful or frustrating or costly than serving outside (I know that all too well!) but it does help explain the difference. And it makes all the difference in the world!</p>
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		<title>Dan Brown&#8217;s Errors</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Dan Brown&#8217;s books may make for good readin&#8217; (or not) they shouldn&#8217;t be used to ascertain historical facts. I&#8217;ve already made some posts about The Da Vinci Code. This article from the UK&#8217;s Telegraph newspaper gives a list of 50 of the more grievous ones: The Lost Symbol and The Da Vinci Code author [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Dan Brown&#8217;s books may make for good readin&#8217; (or not) they shouldn&#8217;t be used to ascertain historical facts. I&#8217;ve already made some posts about The Da Vinci Code. This article from the UK&#8217;s Telegraph newspaper gives a list of 50 of the more grievous ones: <a style="font-weight:bold;" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/6232148/The-Lost-Symbol-and-The-Da-Vinci-Code-author-Dan-Brown-50-factual-errors.html">The Lost Symbol and The Da Vinci Code author Dan Brown: 50 factual errors</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not posting this to poke fun at Dan Brown, or take pleasure in pointing out his mistakes. Nor am I confused about the status of Brown&#8217;s books as being fiction. So responses of <em>&#8220;IT&#8217;S ONLY A FICTION BOOK GET OVER IT&#8221;</em> are not welcome or helpful. Although well aware that Brown&#8217;s books are fictional, many people DO believe at least parts of them are accurate. An example is my former co-worker who, upon learning I am a Christian, said something to the effect of <em>&#8220;Oh I guess you haven&#8217;t read The Da Vinci Code, it destroys Christianity!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Of course after he saw <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/12/11/my-last-da-vinci-code-post-ever-probably/">The Real Da Vinci Code</a> program on TV and got the facts he changed his mind. But it illustrates the need for proper information.</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Why does it seem like there&#8217;s so many dumb Christians?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2008/12/13/why-does-it-seem-like-theres-so-many-dumb-christians/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cringe whenever I see Christians do dumb things (like claiming Jesus and/or Mary appeared on their morning toast and apparently pay for totally misguided billboards). And I can barely stand to see Fred Phelps&#8217; name or the name of his &#8220;church&#8221; mentioned on the news. (If you don&#8217;t know who that is, you don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="margin:0 0 5px 15px;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;" title="dunce" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dunce.jpg" alt="dunce" width="290" height="218" align="right" />I cringe whenever I see Christians do dumb things (like claiming Jesus and/or Mary appeared on their morning toast and apparently <a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/tweetmeme/flickr-photo-download-attention-lunatic-atheists">pay for totally misguided billboards</a>). And I can barely stand to see Fred Phelps&#8217; name or the name of his &#8220;church&#8221; mentioned on the news. (If you don&#8217;t know who that is, you don&#8217;t wanna know.)</p>
<p><em>So why does it seem like Christians so often do dumb things?</em></p>
<p>One reason is that when a Christian does something dumb, they&#8217;re often identified (in the media or colloquially) as being a Christian, but when an atheist does something dumb, they&#8217;re usually not identified as an atheist. Now certainly some Christians do dumb things in an attempt to follow their faith, but whether what the person has done is <em>consistent </em>with the Christian faith is often ignored.</p>
<p>A second reason is the fact that there&#8217;s a lot of Christians around. Millions in Canada alone, plus many millions more in the USA, and approximately 2.1billion in total according to <a href="http://adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html">Adherents.com</a>. So you&#8217;d figure, out of all those people, if even 1% do dumb things, that it will seem like quite a lot of people. Of course, the actions of a few don&#8217;t necessarily reflect those of the whole. (See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition">Fallacy of composition</a>.)</p>
<p>A final reason, extrapolated from the previous one, is that some Christians <em>are </em>dumb. (You&#8217;re free to make your own evaluation of me if you&#8217;d like.) In fact before I was a Christian I thought all Christians were dumb, or ugly, or both. (I thank <a href="http://www.str.org/site/PageServer">Greg Koukl</a> for putting into words so eloquently how I felt at the time.) Dumb because they were roped into a false waste of time, and/or ugly because they had to go to church to be accepted, since it&#8217;s the only place that people <em>have</em> to accept them.</p>
<p>And yes, many Christians are dumb (and/or ugly). But <em>so what? </em>So are many atheists, agnostics, and adherents of other faiths.</p>
<p>There are also many smart Christians &#8230; not myself, necessarily, but guys like <a href="http://www.reasonablefaith.org">William Lane Craig</a>, <a href="http://philofreligion.homestead.com/plantingapage.html">Alvin Plantinga</a>,Â <a href="http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mcgrath/">Alister McGrath</a>, <a href="http://www.jwm.christendom.co.uk/">John Warwick Montgomery</a>, <a href="http://www.thereasonforgod.com/author.php">Timothy Keller</a>, <a href="http://johnlennox.org/index.php/en/about/">John Lennox</a>, and <a href="http://www.dwillard.org/">Dallas Willard</a> to name a few. So whether any one of them is smart or dumb proves nothing about the truth or falsity of the faith.</p>
<p>If you currently have the opinion that Christians are dumb, or ugly, or both, like I used to, I invite you to investigate some of the sites linked above or in the sidebar to the right. I think Christianity is worth thinking about, even if its adherents sometimes do and exceedingly poor job of reflecting it.</p>
<p>And if you <em>are</em> a Christian, let&#8217;s try to reflect our Lord, Jesus, who as Dallas Willard describes, was and is the <a href="http://onegodjesus.com/wordpress/?p=30">smartest man who ever lived (and lives)</a>.</p>
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		<title>What is Christmas about?</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/11/28/what-is-christmas-about/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is Christmas about? Linus (Lucy&#8217;s blanket-wielding little brother from Charles Schultz&#8217;s Peanuts series) tells us: Linus is quoting from Luke 2:8-14 in the Bible, King James translation. Hat tip to Between Two Worlds for the video link. Like many of the commenters there, I wonder how long it will be before this scene is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is Christmas about? Linus (Lucy&#8217;s blanket-wielding little brother from Charles Schultz&#8217;s Peanuts series) tells us:</p>
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<p>Linus is quoting from Luke 2:8-14 in the Bible, King James translation. Hat tip to <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/11/real-meaning-of-christmas.html#links">Between Two Worlds</a> for the video link. Like many of the commenters there, I wonder how long it will be before this scene is &#8220;edited&#8221; out of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059026/">A Charlie Brown Christmas</a> to make it more politically correct, especially considering that <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-12-05-charlie-brown-christmas_x.htm">the scene was almost cut out of the original</a>.</p>
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		<title>Christians do bad things</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/08/01/christians-do-bad-things/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d like to begin this short post with an apology: I&#8217;d like to apologize on behalf of Christians who have, throughout history, done some pretty rotten things supposedly in the name of Jesus Christ. The Crusades? Witch hunts? Inquisitions? Priests who molest? Televangelists who scam? All sinful and awful, and Jesus is appalled that such [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/jesusweeps.jpg" width="140" height="199" alt="Jesus weeps" style="border:1px solid #aaa;padding:3px;margin:0 0 5px 15px;" align="right">I&#8217;d like to begin this short post with an apology: I&#8217;d like to apologize on behalf of Christians who have, throughout history, done some pretty rotten things supposedly in the name of Jesus Christ. The Crusades? Witch hunts? Inquisitions? Priests who molest? Televangelists who scam? All sinful and awful, and Jesus is appalled that such things have come to be associated with Him and His church. While some of these sort of tragedies have been exaggerated (most notably the witch hunts, see <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Myths-Christianity-Western-Civilization/dp/083082281X/">Six Modern Myths</a> chapter six) that doesn&#8217;t make them any better, and I wish to say, on behalf of 99% of all Christians who are living today and who have ever lived, that we agree with you that these actions are awful, immoral, and un-Christlike. <i>As trite as it may sound and in fact may be, it pains me deeply when I read about these things, and I am truly sorry.</i></p>
<p>That said, <b>what do such bad things done by Christians prove about the truthfulness of the Christian faith? The answer is: not much.</b> First of all, Christians do not claim to be sinless; in fact, we recognize that although we become new creations in Christ, we remain fallen people in a fallen world, and therefore the threat of succumbing to temptation is ever-present. Second, there are approximately <a href="http://adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html">2.1 billion Christians</a> in the world. With such a huge sample size, should we be surprised when we learn that a small percentage of them do really bad things (molest children, swindle, etc)? Thirdly, how do the actions of a small portion of Christians which contradict the teachings of Jesus and the Christian faith prove anything regarding whether the Christian faith is true or not? In fact they do nothing to prove that the facts of the Christian faith are untrue.</p>
<p><b>I know this is difficult to accept</b> if you have been personally wounded by the church generally, or a particular Christian person specifically. But please try to keep in mind that any person who acts contrary to a set of principles maligns themselves, but not the principles that they have chosen to disobey. Does the fact that certain NYPD officers are racist and commit immoral acts mean that all police forces should be disbanded? Certainly not, because their actions are contrary to what a police officer should be.</p>
<p>So please, don&#8217;t discount Christianity because of the worst &#8220;Christians&#8221; that you know &#8230; or even the best ones! After all, based on Christianity&#8217;s own teachings, <i>&#8220;all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God&#8221;</i> (Romans 3:23) and that <i>&#8220;the whole world is a prisoner of sin&#8221;</i> (Galatians 3:22), but by God&#8217;s grace <i>&#8220;Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him&#8221;</i> (1 John 3:5). For more on this subject, please see my post &#8220;<a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/14/good-people/">Good people</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time.</p>
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		<title>The Risk of Affluence</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/11/08/the-risk-of-affluence/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was reading for my History of Christianity class today (phenomenal class, consistently interesting) and came across this passage: How [is] one to be a true Christian &#8230; when the church joins the powers of the world, when luxury and ostentation take hold of Christian altars, when the whole of society is intent on turning the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was reading for my <i><a href="http://www.tyndale.ca/seminary/viewcourse.php?cid=286&#038;view_course=View">History of Christianity</a></i> class today (phenomenal class, consistently interesting) and came across this passage:</p>
<blockquote><p>How [is] one to be a true Christian &#8230; when the church joins the powers of the world, when luxury and ostentation take hold of Christian altars, when the whole of society is intent on turning the narrow path into a wide avenue &#8230; how is one to resist the enormous temptations of the times? How is one to witness to the Crucified Lord, to the One who had nowhere to lay His head, at a time when many leaders of the church live in costly homes, and when the ultimate witness of martyrdom is no longer possible? <span style="font-size:smaller;">(Justo L. Gonzalez, The Story of Christianity)</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like he is describing our current situation in North America, but he is actually referring to the time of Constantine in the 4<sup>th</sup> century. This isn&#8217;t to say that &#8220;money = evil&#8221;. The often misused quote actually says &#8220;the <b>love of money</b> is a root of all kinds of evil&#8221; (1 Tim 6:10), not that all money is evil. But still, our situation here in North America is very different from that of the early church, to which people often wistfully wish to return to, as if that were possible. Maybe this is one reason why Jesus spent so much time talking about money and possessions. He had the wisdom and foreknowledge to know we&#8217;d need the advice!</p>
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		<title>Stealing Christian Music?</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/10/10/stealing-christian-music/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[News source: Pirating Songs of Praise (via Religion News Blog) Apparently many feel quote &#8220;conflicted&#8221; about &#8216;sharing&#8217; Christian music &#8230; Here&#8217;s a quote from the article that rather shocked me: Take Matthew, a 13-year-old who attends Hewes Middle School in North Tustin and attends youth programs at nearby Red Hill Lutheran Church. Asked if it’s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/musicpirate.gif" width="150" height="118" alt="Music pirate?" align="right" style="padding:0 0 5px 15px;"><b>News source: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-christian10oct10,1,4746558.story?ctrack=1&#038;cset=true">Pirating Songs of Praise</a></b> (via <a href="http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16222/pirating-songs-of-praise">Religion News Blog</a>)</p>
<p>Apparently many feel quote &#8220;conflicted&#8221; about &#8216;sharing&#8217; Christian music &#8230; Here&#8217;s a quote from the article that rather shocked me:</p>
<blockquote><p>Take Matthew, a 13-year-old who attends Hewes Middle School in North Tustin and attends youth programs at nearby Red Hill Lutheran Church. Asked if it’s wrong to take songs for free, he answered: “No, because the artists are making billions of dollars anyways.” Another kid at Red Hill, 16-year-old Mike, a student at Beckman High, said that music is beyond commerce or at least beyond the cash register: “They should give it away ’cause it’s art anyways.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, so I&#8217;ve downloaded some pirated music in my &#8216;day. I also own nearly 200 legit CDs so I&#8217;m no slouch in supporting the music industry. And I have deleted all (or at least almost all?) of the pirated music on my computer. What do you think about &#8220;file sharing&#8221;? Do we agree that the kids above don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;? Is anyone teaching morals in church anymore? (Or how about some basic philosophy for that matter, so kiddies will know when they&#8217;re making dumb arguments like those above?)</p>
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		<title>Weird church services</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember going to church for the first time. It was only a few years ago after all. I had accepted Christ and considered myself a Christian, but until that point, I refused to enter a church. I still mistrusted churches, even though I had no direct experience. With some consternation I entered the church [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember going to church for the first time. It was only a few years ago after all. I had accepted Christ and considered myself a Christian, but until that point, I refused to enter a church. I still mistrusted churches, even though I had no direct experience. With some consternation I entered the church building, not really knowing what to expect. I guess I expected singing, and a sermon. As it turned out, it wasn&#8217;t as strange as I feared.</p>
<p>So then, <i>why does church sometimes seem weird to outsiders?</i> Since as I write this the NHL playoffs are going on, I&#8217;ll use a hockey analogy to try to explain.</p>
<p>Imagine you&#8217;ve never been to, or even seen, a hockey game before. (For us Canadians that&#8217;ll be hard to do, but try anyways.) As you enter the arena, apprehension swarms over you. There&#8217;s so many people! And many of them look strange. They&#8217;re wearing strange clothes. Many have matching logos and colors. Some have painted their faces &#8230; or their bellies! Not only that, but people are singing, chanting, yelling, screaming, waving signs and flags. Everyone&#8217;s using strange language that you&#8217;ve never heard before, like faceoff, icing, hat trick, five-hole, odd man rush, tic-tac-toe, smothering the puck (<i>smothering?</i>), penalty killing (<i>killing?!?</i>), and more. It all seems so out of control! Are these people all crazy mad psycho lunatics?</p>
<p>No, they are acting appropriately in their environment. (Well, some are probably crazy, but that&#8217;s true of any large group!) Although seemingly obscure to the uninitated, their behavior is situation-specific, comprehensible and rational once the underlying rationale is understood. You wouldn&#8217;t expect someone who&#8217;s never been to a hockey game before to understand immediately what&#8217;s going on, but after learning more about why things are done, everything will start making more sense.</p>
<p>Church services necessarily contain a certain amount of &#8220;insider language&#8221;, but if the pastors and others running the church are being considerate (as they should be) most things should still be comprehensible to those who have never been there before. I think church is a lot like a hockey game in that way: meeting together at a specific time, insider language, behavior that seems strange at first, ritual, and even singing. There&#8217;s a few differences though. It&#8217;s not often a church service ends in a pew-clearing brawl. <img src='http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Grandiose, Ornate Churches</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a recent trip to Montreal with fellow seminary students from Tyndale Seminary, we visited St. Joseph&#8217;s Oratory, which I would naturally call a &#8220;cathedral&#8221; but apparently the correct term is &#8220;basilica&#8220;, since cathedral refers to ornate type non-Catholic churches. It was a beautiful, amazingly designed church. There&#8217;s a wall there covered with crutches, from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/t-stjosephs.jpg" alt="St. Joseph's Oratory" align="right" style="border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;margin:0 0 5px 15px;">On a recent trip to Montreal with fellow seminary students from <a href="http://www.tyndale.ca">Tyndale Seminary</a>, we visited <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Joseph's_Oratory">St. Joseph&#8217;s Oratory</a>, which I would naturally call a &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral">cathedral</a>&#8221; but apparently the correct term is &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica">basilica</a>&#8220;, since cathedral refers to ornate type non-Catholic churches. It was a beautiful, amazingly designed church. There&#8217;s a wall there covered with crutches, from people who were healed within its walls. We all walked around sort of in awe of all this magnificent building represented as a testament to God.</p>
<p>I felt somewhat torn though, as we entered the second of two large worship halls. (The first can be seen in the picture above.) On one hand, this all seemed like sort of a waste of time and money. God doesn&#8217;t care if we worship him in a grand hall, small local church, movie theater, or back alley. Couldn&#8217;t the millions of dollars it cost to built this basilica be put to better use elsewhere?</p>
<p>On the other hand, just walking into this church gave a sense of reverant awe that is missing from most Protestant churches. It just has a different feel, while Protestant churches generally feel plain, the Catholic churches just feel more &#8230; holy? Of course, there&#8217;s nothing holy about the <i>building</i> itself. But somehow, going to church in a movie theater and watching the screen (as great as <a href="http://www.themeetinghouse.ca/home.php">Bruxy&#8217;s</a> sermons may be) seems to be missing that sense of awe that is often an appropriate way to approach God.</p>
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